Provider credibility - does it matter? was Re: Inter-provider relations
alex at relcom.eu.net
alex at relcom.eu.net
Fri Oct 25 08:15:36 UTC 1996
We have the same picture there.
If we have 1000 kilimoters back-bone, we include the cost of this
back-bone into our prices, and sell 64K for (for example) 100bokazoids.
If small ISP crinix opens free-of-chsarge peering with us, he must not
include the cost of back-bone into their prices, and they sell 64K for
50 bokazoids.
This mean we can't allow free-of-charge peering with them.
> Karl Denninger <karl at Mcs.Net> wrote:
>
> >Any provider that does not recognize the value of bilateral, no-settlement
> >peering anywhere that its cost-effective for both parties (ie: if you have
> >traffic destined for me, get it on MY network where I'm being paid to
> >carry it and let ME figure the rest out!) deserves what they get.
>
> Zero-settlement peerings open to anyone are demonstrably amount to
> subsidies from large peers to small.
>
> That already was beaten to death. However, i repeat the argument:
>
> Big Provider
> Customer A ---[POP] ------------- 1000 miles -----------[POP]
> |
> IXP
> |
> Customer B ------[POP]-1 mile-[POP]
> Small Provider
>
> When customers A and B talk Big Provider pays to get them through
> 1000 miles. Small Provider pays for 1 mile.
>
> Note that i didn't even talk about less measurabe, but way too
> more important things like hosting of information suppliers.
> Say, Big Provider connects 1000 web sites; Small Provider hosts
> 1 site -- benefit from peering in terms of Web site diversity to
> the Big Provider's customers is 0.1%. To Small Provider's
> customers the benefit of peering is 99.9%.
>
> Zero-settlements work only when peers are of comparable size.
> Any attempt to extort pressure to force it upon anyone simply
> causes large folks to flee.
>
> --vadim
>
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