[Nanog-futures] Bhutan discovers the "NANOG Problem"...

[Lynda]

Alan Clegg wrote:

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> Paul Ferguson wrote:
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>>-- "Koch,Christian" <ckoch at qualitytech.com> wrote:
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>>>Surely I understand situations arise where you have to fire up your vpn
>>>and do something, and that's foreseeable, but if you're going to just go
>>>to the con to be on your laptop all day, what is the point?  
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>>If people are paying to attend, then why do you care?

> Unfortunately, like those darned kids that are disruptive in the back
> row of church, it annoys those around them that are trying to pay
> attention.. loud keyboards, inappropriate giggles, etc.

I agree that people need to learn manners, but that's an epidemic that 
won't be solved by restricting network access. You won't fix it with 
announcements, or with requests by the speakers (although a reminder to 
keep the noise to a dull roar never hurts).

> I understand why it's annoying... and it is disrespectful to the
> speaker.  Nothing like being the guy standing up there and 1/2 of the
> audience not paying attention.  I'd rather they not show up at all.

Even rock stars don't get 100% attention. It may be frustrating to look 
out over a sea of faces that are mostly looking at keyboards, or 
chatting with friends, rather than paying attention to you, but...

If what you say is worthwhile and engaging, they'll listen. The speaking 
style that works well at a business meeting is going to leave a 
technical audience desiring another cup of coffee, or the opportunity to 
catch up with a friend in the row behind them. It's hard, in current 
times, to gauge where the audience is, and to keep them attentive and 
involved, but it isn't impossible.

> If you are so important that you need to be working while listening,
> stay in your hotel room and listen via the net feed.  That will allow
> you to talk on the phone at the same time.

Phooey on that. Sometimes I bring a laptop to meetings, and sometimes 
just a small notebook and pen. I really love being able to follow along, 
or even read ahead, and to note questions I might have, or points that 
were especially worthwhile. I don't even notice the sound of other 
keyboards when I'm in something interesting. If it isn't interesting, 
then at least I can makes notes, or do other things, while I'm waiting 
for the current speaker to be over.

Maybe I want to stay where I am because the fellow right after you is 
the reason I'm in the room. Maybe I'm researching some point you just 
made because I think you're wrong, or I don't understand it (or both).

> Sean Figgins wrote:
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>>When I manage to go, I notice that the only attendees that pay
>>100% attention are usually the people from abroad.
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> Perhaps the folks from abroad are trying to do a mental translation of
> what is being said.  Or maybe they just aren't as rude as the folks that
> have been to every meeting and have seen all this stuff before (and yet
> continue to attend every time).

I've seen a lot. Sometimes it feels like I've seen everything, and more 
than once for most of it. On the other hand, I just attended a talk on 
the UNIX Command Line, and learned a couple of things I hadn't known 
before. Many presentations are the same. Just because the audience has 
seen the same presentation a dozen times, doesn't mean that there isn't 
going to be an Aha! moment that made the trip worthwhile.

Let this be a vote for *no* on shutting off net access.

-- 
In April 1951, Galaxy published C.M. Kornbluth's "The Marching Morons".
The intervening years have proven Kornbluth right.
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